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From Dianne
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Aug 4, 2006, 15:26

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What unintellectual rubbish
What you could learn from other countries is to build big walls around wealth and
have the poor living under corregated iron and cardboard in unhygienic conditions outside the city walls.
Socialism is about think beyond self and thinking of "we" and community as a whole - it is about being a human being
and having the intellectual capacity to think that way not just self gratification.

********** I replied:


Hi Dianne,

Yes indeed our newsletter does not purport to be an intellectual exercise. We do not need an intellectual exercise to see that socialism does not work. We can look at many countries around the world that have shifted from socialism to capitalism and we can see the difference.

China is the most recent shining example of a country shifting from the ideals of socialism to the ideals of capitalism. Capitalism is raising hundreds of millions of Chinese from abject poverty to more comfortable middle class. China is a one Party State and not democratic but that is another discussion.

The unfortunate thing about humans is that we do not have the attributes of angels. We are motivated for our own self-interest. This is almost universal – Mother Teresa being one of the exceptions. In Russia it was the politicians who lived behind high walls and enjoyed the good life – In capitalist countries it is the wealthy who do the same. The difference is that in the capitalist countries the poor and lower middle classes are many times better off than the middle class ever were in socialist countries.

Very interesting that the Russians built a wall to keep people in (as do North Korea and Cuba) and their people wanted desperately to go to America – for all its faults and problems.

Capitalism harnesses the power of the selfish individual to work to provide a benefit for someone else in exchange for money or another reward. Strangely enough this effort increases total wealth which is then shared to the benefit of buyer and seller. After all the worker wouldn’t sell if he didn’t get a return that he wanted and the buyer wouldn’t buy if he didn’t think he was gaining from the deal. This individual effort produces the division of labour where we all concentrate on what we can do best and buy what we can’t do or produce. This effort produces the wealth of the nation and is distributed according to who does the best work or is the best at selling. The end result is that we increase everybody’s wealth and some people become absurdly wealthy. With socialism we distribute what wealth we can find and then people “game” the system to try and get personal benefit for themselves. This is just human nature and we all do it. The net result is that everyone gets poorer and poorer as wealth is spread around and dissipated.

We don’t need to do the intellectually interesting exercise of demonstrating this by economic logic, we can just look at all the nations of the world during the last century and the evidence is overwhelming.

And what do absurdly wealthy people do with their mega-billions – Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have set up a charity foundation to attempt to solve some of the sickness and poverty problems of the world:- a nice little nest egg of some $70,000,000,000. In the end, their wealth is all going to be shared around. Meanwhile their efforts have increased the total wealth of their nation and generated many jobs and created more than a few millionaires. Anyway – it is their money so why can they not spend it how they like. You do with your money and I do with mine – or at least that portion that we can keep after the tax man has had his bite of the cherry.

All good fun and not a sign of intellectualism.

Best wishes,

Phil Scott
Foundation for Economic Growth Incorporated


*********** Dianne responds:


That is so simplistic - you would build a road to your front door only
Which means you'd really have tunnel vision. Altruism actually is alive -
Just as well mothers don't espouse your theory


********** I replied:

Hi Dianne,

I am not sure what you are saying here. “That is so simplistic - you would build a road to your front door only
Which means you'd really have tunnel vision. “

I am sure that altruism is alive and well and I am grateful for that. Unfortunately altruism cannot run an economy. Wherever this approach has been tried we have seen a disaster.

Many mothers understand and espouse my theory that individuals are motivated to get the best they can for themselves. Just watching little toddlers play shows that each wants to do what they want to do. They know not altruism. This is just a natural way that humans interact. They try to get what they can and keep it if they can. The adults show them that things work best if there are rules that they should follow. I haven’t seen any mothers insisting that their child should be altruistic and give away their belongings. Mothers seem to have a fair understanding of ownership and sharing with friends.

If you wish to develop a political system for us all to live under then surely you must take human nature into account. Otherwise you are legislating for what does not exist.

Best wishes,

Phil Scott
Foundation for Economic Growth Incorporated


*********** Dianne responds:

It's a pointless discussion - nature is what you want to define it as - and seems to change. Children ARE taught to share - give to others, family hold back when visitors etc. etc. - Well, in our family, but I am not part of the 'me generation' but don't bother replying as I have constituents who need assistance.... I am here to serve.


********** I replied:

Hi Dianne,

Unfortunately, Dianne, you serve with my money, taken by compulsion.

When I serve, I do it with what is left to me after tax.

Your moral high ground is not so high, after all.

Best wishes,

Phil Scott


*********** Dianne responds:

Yes it is - I do not keep your money
It is not mine - it is ours, collectively as a country
which is why we spend it - as you missed the point, on roads, for everyone,
children, everyone's
hospitals, everyone's

You are just on another planet - I think , but you vote on all the above - and we go with the majority.
Where on earth were you brought up, and where did you go to school, and what on earth do you read - just leave it


********** I replied:

Hi Dianne,

So my money is “ours” and that entitles the government to spend it?????

That thinking must be why people in communist countries stopped working and held their hands out. Just like sections of our current population.

If more and more people stop working the economy runs down and eventually the peasants eat grass – as in North Korea.

Meanwhile the average wage in Australia is now 33% more than ours and more ordinary workers go there for a better life.

Best wishes,

Phil Scott
Foundation for Economic Growth Incorporated



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And who is Dianne Yates? Here is her profile from parliament:


YATES, Dianne
List member of Parliament, LABOUR
Current Parliamentary Roles
Member of Commonwealth Parliamentary Association Women's Steering Committee Member, Education and Science Committee 10 November 2005-Chairperson, Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee 10 November 2005

Former Parliamentary Roles
Former Chair of Parliamentarians for Global Action
Chairperson of Government Administration Select Committee 1999-2002; Deputy Chairperson of Regulations Review Select Committee 1999-2002
Chairperson of Government Administration Committee -11 August 2005
Member of Health Committee -11 August 2005
Deputy Chairperson of Regulations Review Committee -11 August 2005
Personal Details
Born 29 November, 1943, divorced

Education/Qualifications
Hamilton Technical College
BA (Victoria)
Dip Tchg
LTCL in speech and drama
NZ Comm Teachers Cert
M.Ed (Howard Univ, Washington DC)
Career
Secondary teacher for 16 years
Worked in education and administration in NZ, UK, Zimbabwe, and US
Has also worked in insurance, television production 1962-1971, and real estate
Head Information Studies Northland Polytechnic 1988
Continuing Education Officer, University of Waikato, 1988-1993
Community Activities
Previously member PPTA, and on AUS executive
Involved with Women's Electoral Lobby, BPW, Zonta, Forest and Bird Society, Women's Refuge, Friends of Waikato Museum & Library, Peace Movement, HART, Hamilton Community Arts Council
Trustee of Trade Aid
Member of UN Association, Amnesty International
Member Chamber Music Society
Party Activities
Member of the Labour Party since the 1970's, both in NZ and Britain
Stood successfully as Labour Party Candidate for Hamilton East in 1993, defeating National Party incumbent Tony Steel. Labour list MP 1996-2002, MP for Hamilton East 2002-
Leisure Activities
Enjoys music, art, film, theatre, literature, and swimming. Has published short stories, poems, reviews



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